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1. Thank You Nancy 🙏 this was brilliantly done and thanks for your research on The Manson saga and the environment of the late 60's to give us an better understanding of times back then .👍👌👏

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2. A summary (too brief but anyways) of the 60ies from somebody born in 1952 and was a keen listener and observer throughout: The 60ies began with a sort of innocent rebellion, peaked in colorful fiesta in 67, turned angry in 68, and ended in selfdestruction in 69. You can follow this in the music of the Beatles who began as a joyful & wistful pop band, began experimenting with psychedelica and new tones in 65 and 66, blossomed in 67 with colorful sounds and costumes plus nihilistic undertones like "nothing is real", got dangerous in 68 (lines like "happiness is a warm gun" and "wanna diiie!"), and mellowed out in 69 with Abbey Road. Now, the old reels show peak moments of hippies dancing to the tune of peace and love — the reality was there was also what I call 'the 60ies sorrow', a strangely unredeemed longing you can discern in the songs of the Mamas and the Papas if you listen. And the fiesta was more than loving — it was also passive-aggressive towards the establishment. It all turned real violent in Paris and Chicago in 68. The Tate-LaBianca killings were part of all that.

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3. There’s a dude that says the French had a hand in Lennons demise and in the 60’s a young count from France also had a hand in others demise also and he carried it out into the 70’s , what a guy !!!!! Big names dropping like flies so yer your right the 60’s were dangerous for sure

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4. Nancy did u ever see the movie “apt 7A”? It’s a prequel to rosemarys baby and it’s pretty good.

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5. I’ve written this up properly as an article, with more detail and sources than I could include in the stream:

   👉 https://open.substack.com/pub/nancyrowina/p/the-illusion-of-the-60s-the-culture?r=qdfuv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

   Some of the accounts are pretty uncomfortable—but they give a very different picture of the late 1960s than the one people usually talk about. Curious what people think—do you see the late 60s differently after looking at it this way?

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6. I found this stream reactionary and anti-women, apologies if that wasn't your intention. My response is in two parts, the general and the murders.

   Historically there has never been a non-permissive society, There was as much sex, martial, pre-marital and adulterous, in the 1940s, the 1920s, the Victorian era, etc as there was in the 1960s. For a snap shot of sex in the US in the 1940s and early 50s see the Kinsey reports. The difference was that with the advent of the pill women lost the fear of an unwanted pregnancy, a shotgun marriage or a back street abortion.

   The 1960s and beyond gave a freedom to millions of women they hadn't had before. The 1960s opened up more opportunities for women in the workplace and in education. A lot of working class men also benefited from the opportunity of a degree education.

   All of these benefits were real not illusionary.

   In the 1960s illegal drug taking was partaken by a very small percentage of the US and the UK population. The minority may have been larger than in previous generations but drugs in the entertainment industry was nothing new. Nether was the damage they did.

   I see nothing in the life style of Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring, Wojchiek Frykowski or Abigail Folger that was particularly dangerous. In your other videos there's nothing to suggest Folger or Frykowski was promiscuous. At least not as promiscuous as Bill Wyman, Brian Jones or Warren Beatty. Sebring, it seems, would rather spend an evening with a heavily pregnant Tate than chase women for casual sex.

   The parties didn't appear to be that wild either. Someone standing on someone's toe followed by a bit of pushing and shoving seems quite tame.

   Billy Doyle's assault seems to be an anomaly. However Billy Doyle didn't think he was sexually assaulted and how bad was the whipping? Did he go to hospital? Did he end up with scars? Was it intended to humiliate him rather cause him severe physical injury?

   They took drugs, so what? They had parties and drugs were consumed, again so what? In their community it would have been normal behaviour, as you pointed out in the presentation. Did they take drugs to excess, were they addicted? I suspect not.

   In the autopsy reports the drug tests show that hardly any drugs had been consumed by Folger and Frykowski on the night of the murders. None had been consumed by Sebring and Tate. It sounded like a quiet evening at home amongst friends until the arrival of Watson, Atkins, Krenwinkel and Kasabian.

   Sharon Tate being bullied by Polanski was not a unique part of 60s culture. A culture of female oppression by some males predated the 60s and unfortunately continues to this day.

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